The meeting was called to order at 7:30 by Sherm Erickson acting in Nathan's absence.
Greg Leitner was introduced as the new club Treasurer, and he gave a short presentation including a Treasurer's report, which was necessarily brief as the funds had just changedhands. Greg will establish a checking account and have a complete report at the next meeting.
There was no further old business and no new business introduced. The meetang was adjourned at approximately 8:00 PM.
It's finall Happened!! SPACE now has its own checking account at TCF as of March 13, 1993. A transfer check in the amount of $738.37 along with the deposit of the March meeting intake, and less monthly expenses leaves our Club with a healthy balance or $794.63. Unfortunately, we didn't have a good month for February in that our intake fell just short of covering the cost of the February Newsletter, that meant we made no deposit to our account for the February Meeting. Let's all make an effort to attend the monthly meetings, buy those disks and keep our memberships up to date. This is the way we will continue to make our Club as successful as it has been in the past.
Copies of current year banking activity will be available for all members to see at the April meeting.
IMPORTANT:
Those of you who were at the March meeting
are aware of the problem we had in getting
our AIM subscriptions. We have recieved a
refund of our fee from AIM and they have
indicated that they will not be taking any
new subscriptions in the future. The SPACE
members who paid the $6.00 fee for their AIM
subscription will be getting a cash refund at
the April meeting.
If anyone is interested, Atari Classics is still going strong and you can subscribe to this instead. I will hare copies of the subscription form at the April meeting.
From some of the questions received lately it appears that we could use another demonstration of the BBS basics. Mike Fitzpatrick has agreed to bring in a system to use and after the meeting we will give a short demo of BBS commands for non users, and some of us who don't use many of the commands regularly and have forgotten them as well. Adding a MODEM to your system can greatly increase its usefulness and your own enjoyment as well. Even if you don't own one yet stop by and see how it works.
Due to recent events, the winds have really been taken out of my sails. This column will be my shortest one, the message is short and sweet.
I have been keeping a very close eye on what is going on in the club and feel we have reached a crossroads. This has been further complicated by certain other events invoked by members. Mike Schmidt has stepped down as Editor.
IF YOU ARE NOT THERE, YOU WILL MISS THE MOST IMPORTANT MEETING OF THE YEAR. I am not going to waste any more paper saying this. If you are serious about your SPACE membership, it is mandatory that you attend the next meeting.
Enough said. If you're serious about this club, we WILL see you in April.
THIS CLUB NEEDS TO TALK and we are going to do it, April 9th, at the Falcon Heights Community Center at 7:30 P.M.
April 1993 DOM
Side 1:
HEARTS.OBJ, HEARTS.DOC
The classic card game written in assembly language.
Requires a joystick.
LOAD_PR.BAS, PRTB.COM, TB32Q.COM, TB32QDOC,
BATTLE.TXT
TURBOBASIC-XL modified to run with SPARTADOS 3.2d.
ECHO.COM, ECHO.DOC, ECHO.ASM, BASIC.BAT, PRINT.BAT
SPARTADOS utility to emulate the MSDOS ECHO
command.
FOLDRLBL.BAS
ATARI BASIC program that prints sideways labels for
use on the spines of manilla folders.
Side 2:
RUBBERBA.COM, BALL.OBJ, BALL.SPL, BALL.ZS,
RUBBERBA.TXT
The game is called RUBBER BALL. Bounce your ball
through the maze with a joystick. It's a lot harder
than it looks. Start by executing RUBBERA.COM.
AUTORUN.CTB, T1000.FRM, T1000REA.DME, TURBORUN.COM.
Animation of the T1000 from Terminator II written
in compiled Turbobasic. Run it by executing
TURBORUN.COM.
SPECIAL DISK:
Color Graphics System by Tom Bunt:
CGS is a terminal protocol for use with CGS
equipped electronic bulletin board systems (BBS)
such as WARP-10. CGS makes use of special fonts and
graphics routines to enable the BBS to control the
power of Atari graphics via a modem/telephone link.
An 800XL is the minimum requirement along with a
MODEM and a copy of BOBTERM which SPACE will
include on the disk. Read and follow the
instructions carefully.
*--* 04-01-93 - 22:00:20 *--*
*Locked*
Message: 2 (#4408)
Title: Newsletter Editor
Author: MIKE SCHMIDT
To: ALL
Posted: Sun 21-Mar-93 at 9:09:00am
Replies: 0
A few people know the reasons I stepped down as
newsletter editor, now the rest will know. I
thought the job of editor was being in full
control of what goes in the newsletter? If that
is not the case, then I am just the publisher. If
Nathan wants to screen the content of the
articles, then he can put together the
newsletter. The second reason is I'm working full
time at Anderson Windows and part time in the
evenings for a local Engineering firm, doing
background drawings on my home computer. This
part time work has taken up 20-30 hours a
week(over 7 days).
(2/50+) Officers' Base:
Message: 3 (#4430)
Title: TAIG
Author: MICHAEL WEIST
To: Michael Fitzpatrick (Recvd)
Posted: Mon 22-Mar-93 at 3:50:00am
Replies: 0
NATHAN IS RIGHT I WASN'T THERE WHEN TAIG WAS
AROUND BUT WHEN I ASKED WHAT HAPPENED TO THE
CLUB I WAS TOLD THE CLUB KIND OF FELL APART
BECAUSE OF LACK OF INTEREST TO KEEP IT ALIVE BY
A FORMER TAIG MEMBER. WHAT I AM SAYING IF THE
CLUB DOESN'T DO SOME SERIOUS BRAINSTORMING IS THE
CLUB GOING DOWN THE TUBES. BESIDES WHAT THE CLUB
DOES, WHAT CAN BE DONE TO PROMOTE SPACE TO BRING
THE MEMBERSHIP UP?
(3/50+) Officers' Base:
Message: 4 (#4432)
Title: Survival of SPACE
Author: Michael Fitzpatrick
To: MICHAEL WEIST (Recvd)
Posted: Mon 22-Mar-93 at 9:37:00pm
Replies: 1
You asked a lot of good questions. There are a
lot of answers but it takes co-operation to make
those answers work. Last year we did the Puff
event and the club made money and those who did
attend were happy. There have been several
suggestions as to what various club projects
could be but as yet no-one seems interested even
in forning a steering committee to get some stuff
going. Right or wrong the club has to get off
it's collective duff and do something or else
apathy may just kill it (the Club). One thing for
sure either an organization grows (not
necessarilly
in member numbers) or it dies from lack of
interest. Will talk to you more at the club
meeting in April.
(4/50+) Officers' Base:
Messaae: 5 (#4433) - Reply to #4
Title: Survival of SPACE
Author: MICHAEL WEIST
To: Michael Fitzpatrick (Recvd)
Posted: Tue 23-Mar-93 at 12:57:00am
Replies: 0
ONE OF THE BEST THINGS THAT HAS HAPPENED TO ME IS
JOINING THE SPACE CLUB. THE MEETING, PARTIES,
SPACE B00TH'S AT THE ELECTRONIC SHOWS AND ALL THE
FRIENDS THAT GO ALONG WITH THE CLUB. I DON'T WANT
THAT TO END, I HOPE THAT TURNS AROUND SOMEHOW.
YEH, SEE YOU AT THE MEETING. I LIKE CHATTING
WITH YOU, SHERM, MIKE, JOE, GLEN, LARRY ETC.
(5/50+) Officers' Base:
Message: 6 (#4436)
Title: TAIG
Author: Nathan Block
To: Michael Fitzpatrick (Recvd)
Posted: Tue 23-Mar-93 at 1:19:00am
Replies: 5
Embezzlement my ***, it was simply a matter of a group
running out of funds. Whoever made that bizarre joke
is wrong, I was there, right to the end.
Nathan Block
(8/50+) Officers' Base:
Message: 9 (#4444) - Reply to #6
Title: TAIG
Author: Amos Jackson
To: Nathan Block (Recvd)
Posted: Tue 23-Mar-93 at 10:47:00pm
Replies: 0
Questions were asked concening the user group, so as
what I consider an outsider, I will answer from an
outsiders point of view, and as someone who views
SPACE as a club more for officers than for members. I
feel that the primary gold of SPACE is to make money,
rather than serve the needs of it's membership.
SPACE comes across to me (as to others that I have
talked to
at meetings--sorry no names) as a club that caters to
officers and money, rather than the general
membershop, and makes many in the membership feel that
way. There are quite a few items that I personally
have discovered on my own that I have tried to share
with SPACE, that the regining members of SPACE look
upon as trivial because they did not discover them
first. To mention two of them: 1. Getting free
upgrades on BBS software. 2. CGS
(Color/Graphics System--which allows ANY graphics mode
to be sent across the modem using supplied software),
but because SPACE officers did not discover it first,
there has been little to no interest shown in it by
SPACE, but all others that have seen it have been VERY
impressed.
(9/50+) Officers' Base:
Message: 10 (#4445) - Reply to #6
Title: TAIG
Author: Amos Jackson
To: Nathan Block (Recvd)
Posted: Tue 23-Mar-93 at 10:54:00pm
Replies: 1 [> Edited <]
This causes me and others that have spoken to me
to feel that the general membership's interests are
not being tsken into consideration. Only the interests
of the club. But what is the chub? A few officers
that have been elected to positions, or the general
membership? How can a club that claims that they have
the interests of the Atari community at hand ignore
free upgrades to bbs software, or phone software that
adds an element of excitement to users bbs calling??
It appears to me that the
officers of SPACE don't have the interest of the users
at heart.
SPACE needs to broaden it's horizions! It ** IS **
the best user
group around for the Atari 8-bit machines, but needs
to realize that behind every 8-bit machine, there is
a PERSON!, looking to broaden his/her horizions. To
me, that is what a user group is supposted to be
about. To aid the comunity, and give members their
moneies worth. The example I can give is over at
Spectrum Analysis. Sure I charge $25.00 a year, but
as all can see,
(10/50+) Officers' Base:
Message: 11 (#4446) - Reply to #6
Title: TAIG
Author: Amos Jackson
To: Nathan Block (Recvd)
Posted: Tue 23-Mar-93 at 11:01:00pm
Replies: 0 [> Edited <]
I am comming up with new and interesting
things that will make memberships worth
paying. CGS has caused many a member to say,
"Do you have some docs that you could send to
me that can help me learn about this and
create my own demos or games? That is pure
interest. Awhile back, many of the officers
asked, "Why is Amos in the officers base? He
is not an officer, and sometimes he is hard to
deal with." So what makes me hard to deal
with?? Because I tell it like it is? Because
I have the users best interest at heart, and
get not upset, but out and out mad because **
I ** feel that this is not so? SPACE needs
people like this that will make the membership
feel that they are worth more than just $15.00
a year. Why am I posting in this base now?
Because I was asked for assistance by the
SysOp of this bbs, after swearing that I would
NEVER call SPACE again, or be a part of the
Atari Community because I felt that there were
too many that just do not care about **THE
USER ** !!
(11/50+) Officers' Base:
Message: 12 (#4447) - Reply to #6
Title: TAIG
Author: Amos Jackson
To: Nathan Block (Recvd)
Posted: Tue 23-Mar-93 at 11:10:01pm
Replies: 0 [> Edited <]
I still feel that way. Out of all of the
officers of SPACE, how many have looked into
CGS for the Atari, and for those who are aware
of it, who has stated anything to the general
membership about it? It's like if SPACE
doesn't discover it, it is not worth
mentioning. SPACE needs to really make its
membership feel that what they want or feel or
need is worth it to the club. Personally, I
haven't seen that. I personally have made
more discoverys that SPACE can use than SPACE
has, and have been shown without a doubt, that
because SPACE didn't come up with it first, it
doesn't matter. I have shared with SPACE, and
have always been willing to share with SPACE.
All I wanted from SPACE was some
acknowlegement that there is someone in the
general membership that cared enough about
SPACE to share with them, and that maybe
others could catch on and do the same. These
last few posts were ** EXTREAMLY ** hard for
me to post, but
I had to make a choice within myself in
letting SPACE keep going the way it was, and
knowing that there are many than cannot accept
me as a down to earth person who will tell
itlike it is, and let that keep me from
posting what I see, and what I've been told,
or to care enough to say, 'this is what I
know, and it goes like this."
There is a song with some lyrics that go
like this:
Don't ask me what I think of you, I might
not give the answer that
you want me to."
I feel that SPACE has the ability to be
second to none, but
SPACE needs to realize the needs of the
general user, and not place a dollar value
behind it, and also be willing to work with
ANYONE in the Atari community that is willing
to work with them.
As for myself, I have totally left the
Atari community because of the reasons I've
stated in the last few posts. I charge to let
users on my system, but I spend at LEAST 4 times
as much as TOTAL memberships to get the users
items that they haven't seen, like CGS and
Megablast, which is ONE OF THE BEST GAMES I'VE
SEEN for the Atari 8-bit.
I'll stop here, and hope that people will
see the care in my
posts,rather than negative attitudes.
I care, but will not care more than you do!
(13/50+) Officers' Base:
Message: 14 (#4451) - Reply to #10
Title: TAIG
Author: Nathan Block
To: Amos Jackson (Recvd)
Posted: Wed 24-Mar-93 at 1:27:00am
Replies: 2 [> Edited <]
It seems very inappropriate for you to be
answering that question when you have hardly made
it to a meeting in the last six months! I have
done everything I could to "broaden" the club's
horizon. You are appealing to a very sectioned
portion of our club that uses their ATARI's for
modeming and not much else. Your board gives
away free software, we have to survive by selling
DOM's to make money. If we don't sell DOMs,
there will
not BE A CLUB>
As for a club that is catering to officers,
that is **BS!** As for a club that is catering
to profit, that as **BS!** We have tried time
and time again to do things that would interest
people! That BOB PUFF thing should have been a
monumental meeting that everybody should have
attetded including you. WERE WERE YOU and all of
these "names" that you are talking about? I
didn't see one caller from WARP 10 at that
meeting. Instead who I saw were the regulars of
the club, many of what don't use modems at all,
but occupied the front row of every chair in that
hall. I editted my language, but I am sure you
can fill in...
(14/50+) Officers' Base:
Messaae: 15 (#4452)
Title: SPACE
Author: Nathan Block
To: Amos Jackson (Recvd)
Posted: Wed 24-Mar-93 at 1:30:00am
Replies: 0
This club has done damn near everything to
"broaden it's horizon." I tried to kick off an
ATARI Expo, but it didn't go through, instead we
managed to turn it into the Bob Puff visit, which
I consider a success for the few people that did
come.
We have:
A FREE SOFTWARE RENTAL LIBRARY
A FREE BOOK LIBRARY
A FREE BBS WITH PUBLIC DOMAIN SOFTWARE AND
ONLINE OAMES
DEMOS OF SOFTWARE AT THE MEETINGS
FREE NEWSLETTER EVERY MONTH (and yes, just
because Mike quit we willstill have one)
A BONIFIED ATARI RETAILER WHO COMES TO AS
MANY MEETINGS AS HE CAN WITH NEW/USED ATARI
SOFTWARE TO SELL
We started a programmer's SIG, but it fell
through due to lack of interest.
I am not NEAR THROUGH YET....
(15/50+) Officers' Base:
Message: 16 (#4453)
Title: SPACE
Author: Nathan Block
To: Amos Jackson (Recvd)
Posted: Wed 24-Mar-93 at 1:33:00am
Replies: 0
Just recently I suggested a movie night as a
break from our routine.
I thought perhaps we could just spend some money, rent
a hall out and see a movie on the big screen. NOTHING
CAME OF IT, nobody even said, "Gee, let's think on it
a while and come back to it."
Recently we started the Crash Crew in which 7
members volunteered to make phone calls and even house
calls to people in need of ATARI equipment. But since
you never come to the meetings you wouldn't know this
would you.
I at so angry by your post I cannot even begin to
express it. I am sick to DEATH of hearing how SPACE
is out for profit. In my term as President, I have
attempted to revive SPACE's bank account and, I'm
sorry, but I did a damn good job. When I took over,
SPACE had a balance of around $200. Now we have
around $1000 or so. We were on the verge of going
under and I went after getting us a solid groundwork
that would carry us in case interest dropped off.
CONT
(16/50+) Officers' Base:
Message: 17 (#4454)
Title: SPACE
Author: Nathan Block
To: Amos Jackson (Recvd)
Posted: Wed 24-Mar-93 at 1:36:00am
Replies: 3
WELL GUESS WHAT AMOS, INTEREST HAS DROPPED OF!
And you are living proof of it. You used to come to
the meetings and get really involved and make
glamorous speeches about your BBS. Now, you somehow
get into the officer's base and tell us how rotten a
job we are all doing and you don't even show up to the
meetings. Well I am sorry, but I think we are doing
all we can and I think your post was, well, a lot of
nonsense. TO EVERYONE READING THIS, EVEN THOSE THAT
SHOULDN'T! If you feel as AMOS does, you bad better
speak NOW. I have had at with these kind of
accusations about SPACE. With what is happening in
the club right now, I don't need this. You are either
on the boat, or you are off. And quite frankly, if
this kind of attitude is going to prevail, I am going
to get off the boat and let someone else take this if
everyone thinks I an doing such a rotten job.
(17/50+) Officers' Base:
Message: 18 (#4456) - Reply to #14
Title: TAIG
Author: Amos Jackson
To: Nathan Block (Recvd)
Posted: Wed 24-Mar-93 at 12:05:00pm
Replies: 0
I'm not sure if your message continues, but I'm
going off of what was stated. You asked where I was.
I tried for WEEEKS to get a ride, and was unable to
get one. You don't feel that it is right for me to
answer a question that I don't recall you asking ANY
certain person, and yes I at still a member of SPACE.
You asked for an opinion, I gave one. Did I say that
the club IS about monerand IS about catering to
officers? No, I sais it seems, and apparently you
don't like the fact that *SOME* members of the club
come across to others in this mannar, but those are
the facts. So in fact it is NOT **BS** that some are
made to feel this way. If the anger would not have
set in, you would have notice that I'm not saying that
the club runs itself in that mannar, but that as how
some feel. I still aid the club, and I still care
about what happens to the club,so just because I
cannot make it to the meatings does not make it that
I cannot still have the clubs best interest at heart,
or care. I stated what I thought was an honest
opinion, and not to upset anyone.
But stating that I cannot answer because I do not
go to meetings is just the types of attitudes I'm
refering to. No I don't go to meetings because of a
lack of transportation. doesn't mean that I don't
want to be there, and I still assist this bbs, and
therefore the club by (yes) passing out the free
software that the club chooses to use on it's
system, software that does not come free to
me. I understand that the club has to make
money,and that is not the issue that I bought
up, I bought up how people feel about the
club, or how some are made to feel, but of
course, your anger set in before you realized
that. I will cease now to read your
continuations.
Amos Jackson
(19/50+) Officers' Base:
Message: 20 (#4458) - Reply to #17
Title: SPACE
Author: Amos Jackson
To: Nathan Block (Recvd)
Posted: Wed 24-Mar-93 at 12:18:00pm
Replies: 0
As I stated in my previous post, you
**ARE** overreacting.
If you wouldhave read my post with an
open mind, the SAME mind you used to ask for
opinions, you would have seen things ALOT
different than you do. I feelthat you
*PERSONALLY* are doing a hellof a job, but
because your anger flaired up, you can't see
that. My concern is how people feel. My
common sense let's me know that the user group
needs money to continue its activities. I
have no problem with that, and once again,
your doing a GREAT JOB. If that kind or
recognition from me is not good enough, sorry
'bout that.
As for me not attending meetings,I used
to try to get rides
to meetings, and have failed more often than
not. I don't beg for anything from anyone,
and if I must to be considered a member of
this club as shown by YOUR attitude,, then no
thank-you! You asked for an opinion, I stated
items about people's feelings, you took it as
a direct attack against SPACE. Well, straight
out-- IT'S NOT! It's about how people feel!
I am concerned. I was told that SPACE
had aproblem. I an trying tohelp, not to tear
apart. I figured that with the contact that
you and I have had as people, you would know
be better than that. OBVIOUSLY not!
Theres were the attitudes I was trying to
project in my
posts,that you claim are not true. I feel
that you have atleastshown me that they are.
I feel that if SPACE goes under this
area would loose something MAJOR! I feel if
**YOU** Nathan get out of it for a lack of
understanding, the club will loose something
MAJOR!! Chill out. Talk to me. Your the
best!! So is the club!! All I want to do is
help make it better but don't attack me
because of a lack of transportation, for I
still support in the best mannar that I can
without it!
No I'm not mad, I feel there's no need to
be, but I will go
along with yourpost, if the rest of you feel
as I do, who care as much as I do, who want to
see this club move forward, like Nathan
stated,LET HIM KNOW!
Amos Jackson
(21/50+) Officers' Base:
Message: 22 (#4460)
Title: GONE AGAIN
Author: Amos Jackson
To: All
Posted: Wed 24-Mar-93 at 6:12:00pm
Replies: 2
Well, with the attitudes that have been
expressed towards me, I have decided once
again to sign off of this bbs for good, and now
I have no doubts whatsoever that it not a good
thing for me not to return. I have tried my best
to help out SPACE in the best way that I know
how, even though I cannot always attend meetings.
In ** MY ** opinion, if I choose to spend up to
$100.00 on l/d calls to get what I consider the
best software, then share all that SPACE feels
that it needs with then, then
to be told that that means nothing because I
don't attend meetings, then I say fine. No
appreciation, no assistance. Fair is fair, and
that's how it stands. But for the rest, you'll
be missed, but it's just not worth it anymore.
Amos Jackson
(22/50+) Officers' Base:
Message: 23 (#4463) - Reply to #22
Title: GONE AGAIN
Author: Nathan Block
To: Amos Jackson (Recvd)
Posted: Wed 24-Mar-93 at 11:39:00pm
Replies: 0
And see? This is exactly the kind of thing
that puzzles me. Somehow we are the best, I am
the best but then you disappear. And then
reappear. You keep on doing this kind of thing.
You'll be back, at least one more time to read
this message. And then who knows?
To be honest, I don't know whether you have
faith in me or not. You say you do, but then
somehow the club is heading in the wrong
direction. I don't know what to think. I don't
know WHO is on my side and who isn't. All I can
gauge this on is WHO SHOWS UP AT THE MEETINGS,
because, as you have made note of, not all of the
people who call the BBS make the meetings. Amos,
who am I supposed to consider when I run this
club, the BBS people or the people who attend the
meetings? That is a tough one to answer and I am
sure that you will agree. Both are using an
expensive
service of the club. The meeting hall and the
BBS both are our greatest expenses. All I can do
is do what I have been doing for quite sometime
and that is ASK ASK ASK ASK ASK.
You are a member of this club, so doubtlessly
you get the newsletter. You have read my numerous
pleads and ideas. NOTHING ever seems to come to
them. But WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO? What I
really need is fresh ideas. If you feel we need
to expand our horizons, we need to get that down
in more black and white terms. Serve the ATARI
community, HOW? How can we do that more than we
are already doing it? I cannot personally THINK
of any other way! AND I HAVE ASKED AND ASKED at
every other meeting.
And it is this frustration combined with
Mike's quitting combined with your post that
caused my anger to flare up, and for that I do
wish to apologize, but I hope at least you can
see where I am coming from.
AND ONE MORE THING, here once again we are
dealing with the same bs that has ripped this
club to shreds numerous times. GOSSIP. Third
person talk! Amos, you tell these people,
whoever your "names" are, to call me up
personally and we will discuss this "money"
thing. I am personally VERY VERY unimpressed
when anybody calls and tells me,
"Well so and so doesn't like what you are
doing with the club!" Listen Amos, anybody can
chew someone else behind their back. It takes
guts to come and face a person and tell him what
you don't like. For that I give you lots of
credit, because right or wrong you speak out.
But when you say, "Well, sorry no names, but
other people feel this way," I say HAH, BIG
DEAL. Where are they, why haven't they talked to
me? I am an officer, they should be talking to me
about problems and not wringing the
club out to dry on another BBS. That has been a
problem for three years or so now and despite my many
efforts to get it to stop, it still exists.
I am damn tired. I have to be up at 5AM to go to
work, but I couldn't sleep thinking about this club,
so I called the coard. I don't know what to think, I
get into very bad emotional states when I think
something is going wrong with this club.
You say you are leaving ... FINE. Do what you
want to do. As I told Mike in email, I am not going
to force or beg anybody to stay, if you wanna go, go.
Personally, you keep reappearing, so I am sure that we
will see you around, you just don't go away quite this
easily. But whatever, I cannot take on everyone.
It seems like crossed swords between us don't ever
seem to let up. I do appreciate what you said about
me in the post, I really hope and pray that you do
feel I am doing a good job, I hope that others feel
the same way as wll. But it is days and weeks like
this when I say something, try to get this club back
on track and PEOPLE QUIT and PEOPLE POST THINGS LIKE
THIS that really take the wind out of my sailds really
really quick.
And to reiterate your excellent closing words, LET
ME KNOW!!!! NOW!
(26/50)+) Officers' Base:
Message: 27 (#4475) - Reply to #21
Title: SPACE
Author: MICHAEL WEIST
To: Amos Jackson (Recvd)
Posted: Thu 25-Mar-93 at 3:11:00am
Replies: 0 [> Edited <]
I THOUGHT I WOULD WAIT TILL YOU GOT DONE WITH YOUR
MESAGES. I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY....... YOU ARE FULL
OF BULL*****. I HAVE MADE IT CLEAR TO YOU ANYTIME YOU
NEED A RIDE TO A SPACE MEETING I WOULD BE MORE THAN
GLAD TO PICK YOU UP WITH YOUR WIDE AND KIDS. NO
PROBLEM FOR ME. YOU HAVE MY PHONE NO AND ONE TIME I
CAME OVER TO PICK YOU UP AND YOU DECIDED FOR REASONS
YOU DIDN'T WANT TO GO. ALSO NATHAN ISN'T THE GREAT.
ALOTS OF TIME TO MAKE THIS A GOOD CLUB. NOT FOR THE
MONEY AS YOU SAID FROM TALK YOU HEARD FROM OTHER
PEOPLE BUT BECAUSE THEY
HAVE A DEDICATION TO KEEPING SPACE GOING WE LOST ONE
DEDICATED PERSON JUST RECENTLY, BECAUSE A MISTAKE IN
COMMUCATIONS. NATHAN IS A GOOD PRESIDENT OF THE CLUB,
BUT NOT GREAT. HE BETTER LEARN FROM HIS MISTAKES IF HE
IS HOPING THIS CLUB IS TO SURVIVE. INSTEAD OF THIS
BULL**** CONVERSATION LET'S FOCUS ON SAVING THE CLUB.
IF YOU DON'T AND NATHAN DON'T WANT TO DO THIS, THEN
BOTH OF YOU JUMP SHIP! UNDERSTAND. HERE IS MY $.02
WORTH!
(27/50+) Officers' Base:
Message: 28 (#4504)
Title: Improvements/Dissention
Author: Michael Fitzpatrick
To: All
Posted: Sun 28-Mar-93 at 8:21:00am
Replies: 3
Well the month of March lived up to it's legend as far
as the club is concerned. We lost Mike Schmidt as
Newsletter Editor; I lost some great technical support
for the BBS; Nathan has been verbally beat up. I feel
as if we are in the eye of a Typhoon, the dead calm;
just before all hell breaks loose when the winds
unleash their fury. The winds in this case are the
general members and us. Do those of you who regularly
post wish to have a special meeting to help resolve
our collective problems?
Any comments I'm sure, made in a positive and
constructive manner, woud be greatly appreciated.
(28/50+) Officers' Base:
Message: 29 (#4509) - Reply to #28
Title: Improvements/Dissention
Author: Nathan Block
To: Michael Fitzpatrick (Recvd)
Posted: Sun 28-Mar-93 at 4:39:00pm
Replies: 0
I am more than willing to meet to try and
resolve whatever tears have been made in the
fabric of the club. Depending on what
everyone else thinks, I will go with their
decision.
Message: 32 (#4536)
Title: NEW EDITOR
Author: Larry Serflaten
To: MIKE SCHMIDT
Posted: Tue 30-Mar-93 at 2:45:00am
Replies: 0
Thanks for notification. I didnt see anything
about resigning membership, so I'll supose
we'll still see you at the popular hang-outs
for the radio crowd?
Message: 35 (#4539) - Reply to #17
Title: SPACE
Author: Larry Serflaten
To: Nathan Block (Recvd)
Posted: Tue 30-Mar-93 at 3:17:00am
Replies: 0
You might want to check WHICH message It
replying to... You said speak NOW, so I will!
I certainly have feelings, as does AMOS. if
AMOS was a bit harsh, THIS message was
ABBRASIVE, even humiliating!!! If your over
your snit, why dont you ERASE THESE????
Any Vetran BBS'er should KNOW enough to call
here to share the good times and call in
person to smooth over the bad. Bad language
destroys any positive image we are trying to
achieve. Got it? Dont argue!
(35/50+) Officers' Base:
Message: 36 (#4540) - Reply to #21
Titie: SPACE
Author: Larry Serflaten
To: Amos Jackson (Recvd)
Posted: Tue 30-Mar-93 at 3:29:00am
Replies: 1
Nathan is correct in pointing out that some
people who do attend, dont have modems.
Evidently, these people arent so sure of what
they can expect from the ON LINE community.
Really, where is the
future for ATARI BBS's? What service can a
BBS provide that would entice even our own
discriminating members?
This message brought to you courtesy of RICH
MIER, whose INDUS GT is on loan while mine
"goes under the ...
...GUN*!
Message: 39 (#4563)
Title: Outsider?
Author: Joe Danko
To: Amos Jackson
Posted: Wed 31-Mar-93 at 12:36:00am
Replies: 0
Outside of what? You will notice I changed the
topic as we are not discissing TAIG. The BBS
SYSOP of SPACE is pretty much free to do
whatever he wants and I don't believe the
SYSOP has ever been refused funds for
ANYTHING. To say that SPACE is run for the
benefit of its officers is ludicrous as there
have been only 2 or 3 at a time. Any member
can move for action at a SPACE meeting and
such motions will be voted up or down by the
members. If you have a problem with the way
the club is run let's hear it at a meeting or
make a statement here and one of us will bring it
up
for you if you can't make it. There is no reason
to take shots at our officers due to unknown
statements made by unknown people.
(41:50+) Officers' Base:
Message: 42 (#4566) - Reply to #28
Tite: Improvements/Dissention
Author: Joe Danko
To: Michael Fitzpatrick (Recvd)
Posted: Wed 31-Mar-93 at 1:00:Oam
Replies: 3
We need no special meetings to patch things up
with anybody. Life goes on. We will have a
newsletter. The BBS will continue to run and we
will learn how to make it work without Amos. If
we can't make things work as they are then it
just wasn't meant to be. Let's get busy and get
it done. We will never have as fancy a BBS as a
guy whose BBS is his whole ego but we will
continue to have the most STABLE BBS in town
because we don't screw with it all the time.
(42/50+) Officers' Base:
Message: 43 (#4572) - Reply to #42
Title: Improvements/Dissention
Author: MICHAEL WEIST
To: Joe Danko (Recvd)
Posted: Wed 31-Mar-93 at 1:56:00am
THE SAD THIS ABOUT AMOS IS HE IS A GIFTED PERSON
AMD HE HAS SO MUCH TO
OFFER TO THE ATARI COMMUNITY, BUT
.................
(43/50+) Officers' Base:
Message: 44 (#4573) - Reply to #42
Title: Improvements/Dissention
Author: MICHAEL WEIST
To: Joe Danko (Recvd)
Posted: Wed 31-Mar-93 at 1:58:01am
Replies: 0
THE NEWSLETTER WILL GO ON BUT I WILL MISS MIKE'S
STYLE OF A NEWLETTER.
(44/58+) Officers' Base:
Message: 45 (#4601) - Reply to #41
Title: Amos
Author: Michael Fitzpatrick
To: Joe Danko {Recvd)
Posted: Wed 31-Mar-93 at 9:58:00pm
Replies: 1
Amos does do a lot of things for the club in
manners that are only know to by the SysOp and
Co-SysOp. He does them freely and I feel that
his only request is that he be properly thanked
and appreciated for his efforts. That isn't much
different than anyone else. As far as resentment
goes I too recognize that there are those in the
club who resent him. Why? I don't know but I
think the root cause goes back long before I
arrived on scene. We need all the Amos's and
Nathan's and Joe's and et al to make the club
work. The idea of isolating one over another
scares me as then after Amos, who is next?
(45/50+) Officers' Base:
Message: 46 (#4602) - Reply to #42
Title: Improvements/Dissention
Author: Michael Fitzpatrick
To: Joe Danko (Recvd)
Posted: Wed 31-Mar-93 at 10:02:00pm
Replies: 1
The intent of the special meeting is to get the
"Responsibie People(?)" off of their dead butt
laurels and get a program for the club started.
The first item on any agenda is to mend any
issues real or imagined; then get going on doing
something positive to get things rolling! Last time I
checked, the old adage about growing or dying still
holds true.
(46/50+) Officers' Base:
Message: 47 (#4616) - Reply to #41
Title: Amos
Author: Nathan Block
To: Joe Danko (Recvd)
Posted: Thu 1-Apr-93 at 6:39:00pm
Replies: 0
I have extremely strong feelings about this whole
situation, but refuse to bring them here on the board
due to recent developments and CERTAIN PEOPLE who
shall remain nameless.
I do NOT want you to forget that post of yours.
We will bring this exact subject up at the meeting, I
wish you to bring it up since it was your idea. We
will discuss it and put it to a formal vote. I feel
the time has come for this. If necessary, this entire
message base will be copied and printed as evidence.
(47/50+) Officers' Base:
Message: 48 (#4617) - Reply to #45
Title: Amos
Author: Nathan Block
To: Michael Fitzpatrick
Posted: Thu 1-Apr-93 at 6:42:00pm
Replies: 0
I have something to reply to your message, but
risk posting it because some eyes will see it that
don't need to. But I don't think there is a question
of "WHO'S NEXT" because that question is irrelevant.
Think of every club problem we have EVER had and think
about the causes and the sources. If you think about
it, go back to Joe's post, and maybe a formal vote and
discussion is just what we need to get this thing
resolved ...
O N C E A N D F O R A L L !!!
(48/50+) Officers' Base:
Message: 49 (#4635)
Title: Amos
Author: Joe Danko
To: Michael Fitzpatrick
Posted: Thu 1-Apr-93 at 9:51:00pm
Replies: 0
I have no axe to grind with Amos about anything. If he
believes that SPACE is abhorrant to the Atari
community and wants notning to do with us, then why
should we assist him in his efforts to destroy SPACE
as a going concern? We have and have had officers who
made mistakes and were not always well liked by
everyone all the time, that goes with the territory of
leadership, but we have stayed together by moving past
the problem and leaving the past in the past. I don't
think Amos has any business using his position to
trash our organization and officers with one hand
while helping our BBS with the other. That kind of
help we can do without. If we have a problem we can
work it out as a club in the open. If Amos wants to
go, let him go, if he wants to stay but if he is going
to demand something that the rest of the members don't
want he can get on with his life and do as he likes
without criticising the character of SPACE. We don't
tell him how to run Warp-10.
(49/50+) Officers' Base:
Message: 50 (#4636) - Reply to #46
Title: Improvements/Dissention
Author: Joe Danko
To: Michael Fitzpatrick
Posted: Thu 1-Apr-93 at 9:58:00pm
Replies: 0
You are correct in your goals. SPACE has been dying
and growing for the ten and a half years I have been
involved with it. The very first anniversery we called
off the meeting because less than 10 people
showed up. (1983) The most important lesson we
have learned is to have fun and don't abuse
each other no matter how bad things become. If
it's going to die, let it go happily. Don't be
afraid to try something new and don't be
afraid of making mistakes.
What is going on within and around SPACE to cause such a "controversy"? Are SPACE officers unresponsive and selfish? Are they in it "for the money"? Will SPACE go the way of TAIG because one person said they wrong thing?
The only people who can save or kill SPACE are its members. A club is only the sum- total of its membership. TAIG died because most of the members didn't care anymore. What do you want the club to be? Only YOU can make it happen in SPACE as in all democratic organizations. If you don't like the way things are then institute some change. Nobody will stop you. Then you will find out that change and working for the benefit of others isn't always a popularity contest but is often lonely and risky to one's ego. The worst thing we have to fear is fear of change. If you think SPACE needs something, speak up but don't expect the officers and others to do all the work.
Published by the Saint Paul Atari Computer Enthusiasts (SPACE), an independent organization with no business affiliation with ATARI Corporation. Permission is granted to any similar organization with which SPACE exchanges newsletters to reprint material from this newsletter. We do, however, ask that credit be given to the authors and to SPACE. Opinions expressed are those of the authors and do not necessarily reflect the views of SPACE, the club officers, club members or ATARI Corporation.